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Pooneh Ghoddoosi on Iran

Presenter of BBC Persia’s most popular programme is disappointed when a story is exaggerated to get sympathy or present a political point of view. There are times when you don’t need to add any spice

The first book you chose, “My Uncle Napoleon” by Iraj Pezeshkzad, is one of the most beloved Iranian novels of the 20th century and it has been hailed as a masterpiece of Persian literature. Could you tell me a bit more about it?

To be honest, when I first heard about it I was really young. I hadn’t read the book but I had seen the TV adaptation, which was a series like “Friends”, though in a very different kind of way. It was very political and satirical, though not obviously so. I was too young to understand the very sensitive social commentary that was hidden in the day-to-day lives of the characters, but I still loved it.

But after reading the book in my teens I discovered the depth of its explanations of the culture, mentalities, stereotypes and clichés of Iranian society. It showed the various mindsets – like the modern, the religious, and the Westernised.

You know how in any TV series or book, each character is a prototype of a personality in the world? Well this book is the best example of that. It explains the whole society of Iran using a handful of people in the most understandable way, especially if you are not familiar with the culture. I have lent this book to friends, if only so as to make them understand what goes on in the Iranian mindset.

It is such a clever satire and it is also a social, religious, and political commentary on the history of the Iranian people. It is much more truthful, perhaps, than an important scholarly or academic analysis.

That’s interesting. Would you say it’s subversive?

One thing it mocks is the idea that whatever happens inside Iran is due to the influence of the British or the West generally. There is a character who is becoming old, senile and paranoid, and he had been in the war, perhaps it was the First World War. He has now forgotten the real memories and turned them into a fantasised version. And he keeps retelling those memories in a way that is completely different from what happened.

This character believes that a big part of whatever happened during his time in the military was influenced by the Brits, who didn’t want Iranians to have power, or for the Iranian government to be independent. He believes they sent spies and agents to control the events in Iran.

This book was written decades ago, and yet you can still see that the idea is as rife as ever. Today the demonstrations in Iran are blamed on the British influence and the protestors are being accused of being agents of Britain or the US. BBC Persian broadcasting is accused of inciting people to cause disruptions on the streets.

And yet the BBC maintains a clear policy of neutrality.

I hope neutrality is something the BBC is famous for worldwide.

Was the old man you described “Dear Uncle Napoleon”?

Yes. The old man’s favourite historical character is Napoleon. He quotes him all the time and thinks he was a great hero and warrior, mostly because he was an enemy of the British. So his younger relatives mockingly call him Napoleon behind his back. Even in his own family interactions, say when someone catches pneumonia, or a young cousin falls in love with his daughter and he doesn’t approve, he thinks everything is to do with the British.

He has a very faithful gardener, who is exactly like Sancho Panza in Don Quixote, who approves of what he says and retells the same stories that never happened. Because there is some idiot applauding him he keeps on going. There is also a cousin who is foreign educated, speaks English and works for the foreign ministry. He thinks it’s such a joke that this old man has these ideas in his head. And there all sorts of other characters.It’s just really beautiful.

It sounds as though it’s still very relevant.

One of the first programmes when BBC Persia was launched was “The Brits are Behind It”, although I can’t remember the exact translation in English, but it was also shown on English BBC. It was made by a British journalist who had married an Iranian woman and he interviewed one of the TV writers about how relevant it is that people still blame Britain, fifty years later.

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About Pooneh Ghoddoosi

Pooneh Ghoddoosi is the presenter of BBC Persia’s most popular programme, “Nowbat-e Shoma” or “Your Turn”. Though technically illegal in Iran, the satellite channel has attracted six million viewers since its launch six months ago. During the worst of the clashes following last month’s elections, BBC Persia received 10,000 emails a day from Iranians inside the country.

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